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Eagle Rock Neighborhood Council Tables Bike Lane Vote

The council wants to allow more time for community input before weighing in.

The Eagle Rock Neighborhood Council on Tuesday evening decided to delay their vote on a motion submitted by treasurer Ashley Atkinson to write a letter to the Los Angeles Department of Transportation in support of proposed bike lanes on Colorado Boulevard and North Figueroa Street.

The motion to table the vote was proposed by Atkinson herself, who said that the community should be allowed more time to weigh in on the matter.

"After announcing that we were planning to discuss this tonight, we found out that [Council District 14] is actually planning to hold a community outreach meeting specifically on this topic later in the month," Atkinson said.  "We wanted to give the oppotunity for more public comment, and for more people to attend that meeting if they so choose."

No official date has been cheduled for CD 14's outreach meeting yet.

Atkinson's motion to delay the vote was unanimously approved. 

Speaking during the public comment portion of the meeting, which was held prior to Atkinson submitting her motion, Eagle Rock resident and Boulevard Sentinel publisher Tom Topping took issue with the way the original motion was worded.

He told the board that the original motion was incomplete because it did not mention the removal of car lanes.

"It think it appropriate to change that, re-agendize the motion and discusss thisat a latter time," Topping said.

Bike Lane Presentation

Tim Fremaux, a transportation engineering associate with Los Angeles Department of Transportation, provided details about the bike lane project on Tuesday evening.

According to Fremaux, the department has two options on Colorado west of Eagle Rock Boulevard, which is wider than the eastern side of the boulevard.

"West of Eagle Rock Boulevard is a little bit wider. We can implement bike lanes on that stretch from Sierra Villa to Eagle Rock without taking travel lanes and keeping the three travel lanes, but the concern there is we would be left with very narrow lane widths and very narrow bike lane. That ends up being a very tight facility," Fremaux said. "The alternative is to a buffered bike lane and go to two lanes in each direction."

East of Eagle Rock Boulevard to the 134 freeway exits, a travel lane would need to be removed so a buffered bike lane could be installed.

"We would remove travel lane on each side. A buffered bike lane is really the only way to do bike lanes on this side of the street, east of Eagle Rock Boulevard," Fremaux said.

As a traffic impact study released by the Department of Transportation in January indicates, the removal of the lanes on Colorado Boulevard would lead to increased traffic delays. However, Nathan Baird, a project coordinator for LADOT, said the project would have benefits in terms of safety.

"We expect this will have a really good safety improvement for the street, it should slow down vehicle speeds a little bit. We think there are a lot of benefits to it," Baird said. "We do see people switch to bicycling when we put in this new types of features. The street will have to function a little differently, especially at rush hours. You're not going to be able to move the same amount of cars."

Fremaux also noted that the initial LADOT data regarding delays at Sierra Villa and Eagle Rock Bouevard along Colorado were inflated in the initial traffic impact study.

"Those numbers dropped by 50-percent or something like that," he said. "These two projects are actually on the lower end of the spectrum in terms of delay impacts to vehicle. These are actually on the easier side."

Rudy March 08, 2013 at 12:55 AM
cute, bike lanes on York ELIMINATED A DRIVING LANE and are bike travel lanes. Of course you all have ignored how they discriminate against us handicapped drivers who can't ride bikes. Haven't seen that discussed while sitting behind a big rig on York. A reminder, Figueroa is the alternate to the 110, and trucks must use the streets not the 110. Perhaps bike riders will enjoy the exhaust? Or just run the red light as they so often do. Oh well.
Robert De Velasco March 08, 2013 at 11:14 PM
The whole idea about putting a bicycle lane on Colorado Blvd. I totally irresponsible . In a natural disaster or emergency , the 210 Fwy and the 134 could be become a parking lot and the only way either east or west out of Eagle Rock is Colorado Blvd, . If that doesn't mean anything to you then how about fixing the pot holes in our street and in our sidewalk so that car and pedestrians can access our stores easier. Your plan would take away much needed PARKING SPACE . I'm Not being fooled by what you call this project. "Taking back the Blvd. " . That is simply a play on words. the only ones taking anything are the contractors who are taking our tax payers money to line their pockets while other more important things can be done, such as using it for AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS, or to keep our library's open. SUPPORTERS OF THE BICYCLE LANES are being selfish and only thinking for a very very very small percentage of our citizens. Will someone please start a petition against this project . Thank You !
S.M. March 09, 2013 at 12:37 AM
If bike lanes are installed on Colorado Boulevard as part of the LA Bike Plan the funding will come from a set-aside of the voter passed Measure R. The funding, a relatively small sum of money, can only be used for bicycle and pedestrian improvements– it cannot be used to fund library hours or school programs. At public meetings representatives from the LADOT have repeatedly stated that everyone – whether traveling by bike, car, or foot – benefits from the projected safety improvements bike lanes provide. As for natural disasters and emergencies, in such situations an emergency vehicle could travel in the bike lane if necessary. Actually a bike lane would be great from this perspective since motor vehicle traffic could simply merge into it or the emergency vehicle could travel in the bike lane– either way the amount of space on the street would be the same as it currently is and therefore it would not be any more difficult for an emergency vehicle to travel through the area. The far more likely situation is that the bike lane will improve safety on Colorado Boulevard and reduce the need for emergency vehicles to travel to the site of a crash.
S.M. March 09, 2013 at 12:44 AM
Rudy, You argue bike lanes discriminate against disabled since some disabled people can only drive and don't have the option to cycle. However, there are also disabled people that don't have the option to drive and instead depend on their mobility devices and public transportation. I travel York and ER Blvd regularly and there are people in mobility scooters that frequently uses the bike lanes because the bike lanes are easier to navigate than the sidewalks. When cycling infrastructure is of good quality, more than just "cyclists" benefit from it. See the below article if you have the time http://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/who-else-benefits-from-the-dutch-cycling-infrastructure/ Also, do you realize that you're demonstrating a prejudice against people who cycle with your stereotyping comment "just run the red light as they so often do"? By the way, your name reminds me there was a teacher at Eagle Rock High School with the same name, Rudy Cordero. This got me thinking– traveling in the morning around Eagle Rock is always a pain because so many parents are driving to drop off their children at the local schools. If we could get more youth on bikes (and out of their parents' cars) then morning traffic would be a little smoother. Not to mention that bike lanes have a proven record of improving safety for all modes of travel, so students that walk or are even chauffeured to school (or anyone, really) could benefit from safety improvements bike lanes offer.
rebecca niederlander March 09, 2013 at 05:39 AM
there was a big accident on the 134 today. So colorado had some extra traffic. I know that lots of people say if we reduce a lane on colorado, then people will take Hill. I'm here to tell you that I was the only person on hill drive. no one took hill drive, even when there was traffic on colorado. As for your argument that supporters of the bike lanes are being selfish, when you point one finger at someone else, you point three back at yourself. Not being tolerant of other modes of transportation that want to be a part of our neighborhood and community is quite intolerant and selfish.
Tim Ryder March 09, 2013 at 03:54 PM
I still don't see any need for Bike Lanes. There's no great demand for them and except for the bike activists I don't think anybody really gives a hoot. It appears the 'voters' approved something called Measure R which allocated some funds for bike lanes in our 'Car' city which brings up the question - "What the Hell were we smoking"? ha, ha! Seriously, Colorado Blvd's just fine, leave it alone for Christ's sakes!
Tim Bike-Ryder March 09, 2013 at 05:39 PM
Don't let the Bike-Lane Prohibitionists (Tim) and Fear Mongers (Topping) win! Check out my new organization www.bike-lanes-united-with-the-community.duh.
nonoise March 09, 2013 at 07:01 PM
It is safer for bicyclist to have their own bike lanes. And, it keeps cars moving faster without having to wait for slow bicyclist. Just need to make sure bike lanes get put where they belong like not on York Bl., maybe on Colorado because Colorado is a very wide street. More people might bike if they had their own bike lane and did not have to compete with cars.
nonoise March 09, 2013 at 07:03 PM
Faster moving traffic is good. Speed limits need to be raised. Bicyclists slow down traffic. Give bicyclist their own lane and get them out of car lanes!
John Goldfarb March 09, 2013 at 10:44 PM
Yes, Colorado Boulevard is a very wide street, but when cyclists have their own lanes, there will be one less lane for cars in each direction and traffic will thus more more slowly. This will be safer for cyclists and for pedestrians trying to cross the boulevard from the perpendicular streets, and Colorado will hopefully be less of a secondary freeway and more of a main street for Eagle Rock. The next step would be longer red lights along Colorado to slow traffic even further. If people want to drive between east and west quickly, they can use the perfectly serviceable 134 Freeway just blocks north of the boulevard.
Mark Charles March 10, 2013 at 09:44 PM
I am sitting here at Oinkster reading all of the comments and was at the meeting Tuesday night.Traffic is light, but some cars are moving a bitt too quickly. I agree traffic needs to slow down on Colorado. It's just paint people. Let's put in the lanes and see what happens. Rarely do cities make it this easy to acquire bike lanes or traffic calming measures. This is a "gift horse". Let's hold hands and jump in.
John Goldfarb March 10, 2013 at 10:05 PM
Mark, not only does traffic move very quickly through Eagle Rock, but there aren't enough pedestrian crosswalks, even in busy areas like Shearin and Colorado, where The Oinkster and other restaurants are located. That's another area being addressed by Take Back the Boulevard, and as far as I'm concerned, slower traffic via bike lanes and longer red lights, plus the crosswalks at key locations, can't happen soon enough.
rebecca niederlander March 11, 2013 at 06:16 AM
agreed!
rebecca niederlander March 11, 2013 at 06:17 AM
agreed!
Tim Ryder March 11, 2013 at 03:14 PM
Larsen is that you? Man, I gotta get one of those anonymous Patch psuedo-names so I can blog my stuff anonymously too. Just how does one go about doing that, hmm? I'm now 100% against these dumb bike lanes and the kookie activists that want to force them down our throat!
Tim Ryder March 11, 2013 at 03:24 PM
Hey 'nonoise' I'm all for biking, I even got my own bike I pull out of the shed once in a while, but I don't really like biking with cars, buses, trucks and other ten ton vehicles whizzing by next to me on a main boulevard. I know they are not looking out for me whether there are bike lanes or not. How you ever tried biking in the rain? ( I know you have Severson, you don't have to respond). But I see people on here advocating for bike lanes yet have never ridden a bicycle in their life or not in a very long time saying that more people will bike if there are bike lanes. That's ludicrous!
nonoise March 11, 2013 at 07:16 PM
I am not for removing car lanes for bikes at ALL! Never! Raise the speed limit and take out all those traffic signals that slow down traffic.
rebecca niederlander March 11, 2013 at 08:01 PM
you are joking, right? It can be hard to tell on the web, because I am sure you don't really want to raise the speed limit on Colorado.
Tim Bike-Ryder March 13, 2013 at 02:31 AM
I read somewhere that bike lanes are a $14 billion industry, and I thought to myself maybe I could get a little piece of that. I see the bike industry like a tsunami, just sweeping across the nation and I'm on a surfboard riding the crest of the wave...only the surf board has bike wheels. Read more here: http://bit.ly/SABVNc
Tim Ryder March 13, 2013 at 07:32 AM
How about anyone that wants bike lanes have to prove that they own a bike and that they ride it to work every day? That includes you too Larsen, ha, ha!
Tim Ryder March 13, 2013 at 07:47 AM
I am so angry that some neer-do-well has taken my good name and inserted "Bike" into the middle of it just to mock and jest my position on Marijuana legalization. Just kidding, I'm not that angry, just highly amused that an individual (Michael Larsen?) can stoop that low as we discuss such an important topic in Eagle Rock like "bike lanes".
Michael Larsen March 13, 2013 at 02:13 PM
Sorry Tim, it's not me. But it is hilarious. And very illuminating interview with KCET. I never knew that your lobbying for unregulated pot shops was motivated by "getting your piece of the $14 Billion pie". Makes perfect sense though. Why else would someone who doesn't smoke pot spend every waking hour advocating for it?
rebecca niederlander March 13, 2013 at 03:36 PM
Tim, i have repeatedly stated that I have a disability that prevents me from riding a bike. And I am 100% for bike lanes. BIke lanes improve a neighborhood in many ways that have been written about over and over. I think that your suggestion that those in favor of bike lanes have to prove they ride a bike to be an absurd one. And quite frankly, that you are all about asking for tolerance when it comes to your issue, but intolerant when it comes to someone else's issue speaks volumes to me. Someday, perhaps we could meet at an ERNC meeting or just on the streets of our fair community and find some common ground, but until then, why are you so agitated about bike lanes? What is it to you if citizens of our neighborhood have options for their transport?
nonoise March 13, 2013 at 03:53 PM
Not sure about Colorado because there is so much traffic and too many lights. Some of the traffic lights could be removed to increase traffic flow. Too many places where traffic speed could be increased like San Fernando Road and Cypress Ave and North Figueroa. There are too many traffic signals. The ones that should be installed are like the one at Sycramore Park. The red light comes on only when the button is pushed because someone wants to cross the street. We need those kinds of signals. Bike lanes should be where the streets are wide enough to have them like on Colorado and Eagle Rock Blvd, but not at the expense of car lanes.
Jeff Jacobberger March 13, 2013 at 04:42 PM
Mr. Ryder: Bike lanes--like car lanes--are not only for people who use them every day. By necessity (if not by choice), many everyday bicyclists in Los Angeles have become comfortable sharing a lane with fast-moving cars. Everyday bicyclists amount to 1-2% of the population. However, in the United States, more than 1/3 of people bicycle at least occasionally. Bike lanes make it safer and more comfortable to bicycle, which encourages those people to bicycle more often. That provides health benefits for the bicyclists; environmental benefits for the community by taking some cars off the road; and economic benefits to Eagle Rock businesses because bicyclists eat and shop locally.
Marcus March 13, 2013 at 05:13 PM
Nonoise:,You are hilarious! You complain about the noise from a local church, and yet you want Colorado blvd, and Eagle Rock blvd to become extensions to the freeway system, without lights and reduced speed limits! Keep those comments coming!
Marcus March 13, 2013 at 05:16 PM
If there were more bike lanes, I would consider riding my bike more often. The arguments seem to be that car drivers want the roads to themselves, and thus we see a spate in selfish blog comments.
True Freedom March 15, 2013 at 05:18 AM
If you are traveling any significant distance on Colorado, you need to use the freeway. If you're traveling a short distance, going a little slower (only at peak times) or the the same speed will barely impact your life.. especially when you consider the positive impacts of a calmer, safer environment. Btw - I cycle to work most days.. Across the arroyo into the heart of Pasadena.
That guy March 15, 2013 at 08:04 AM
Yup, nothing new here. Same folks, same arguments, same pointless issues that don't really solve anything. Personally I only notice bikes when they run stop signs and lights. Too bad I drive a van, it makes it harder to pick 'em off. But I try. More bikes on Colorado? Cool. More targets. Y'all carry on.
Shannon Stewart October 30, 2013 at 09:49 PM
This week of Halloween I have spent 15-20 min each day stuck between the 2 freeway and the Plaza. That will be over 1 hour this week idling in my old car, wasting gas. Hill Drive and Florence traffic have tripled and its not even the shopping season yet. I am so angry about this bike lane. I plan to do anything I can to make them put it back the way it was. Adding a bike lane - Great Idea. Loosing a lane of traffic - Insane!

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