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LAPD Takes Use of Force ‘Very Seriously,’ Northeast Commander says

In the wake of three rough arrests caught on camera across LA last month, Capt. Bill Murphy assures community members that all incidents in which officers use force are thoroughly investigated.

The Los Angeles Police Department takes the use of force by its officers very seriously, and the practice constitutes less than 1 percent of all arrests made by the department, the commanding officer of the LAPD Northeast Division told a community meeting Thursday evening.

“Obviously, in the LAPD, we’d rather not have three incidents in two or three weeks, but it can happen,” Capt. Bill Murphy said, referring to the public outcry over violent confrontations that officers had with two women and a 20-year-old man whose videotaped arrests prompted LAPD Chief Charlie Beck to conduct community meetings in all the department’s 21 stations. (Murphy said he was on not on duty during that entire period, having recently returned from a four-week vacation.)

“In any use of force situation, whether it’s relatively minor, like a twist of the arm” or something more serious, the LAPD conducts thorough investigations that could result in senior officers in the chain of command being held accountable, Murphy said. “Please have faith in us—we take this very seriously,” he added.

About 30 people from neighborhoods spanning Cypress Park, Eagle Rock, Highland Park, Mount Washington, Glassell Park, Silver Lake and Los Feliz attended the roughly 90-minute meeting at the Northeast Station on San Fernando Road.

As Murphy spoke in a room on the Northeast station’s second floor, an LAPD captain at the center of one of the three videotaped scandals stood by without saying a word.

The officer, Capt. Joseph Hiltner, was transferred to the Northeast Division from the Foothill Division last week for allegedly failing to take action against two officers accused of using excessive force during the videotaped arrest of a woman pulled over for a cell phone violation.

Hiltner, whose rank was downgraded, has filed a complaint with the California Department of Fair Employment and Housing, and accused Chief Beck of retaliating against him for defending an officer who was reprimanded by the LAPD high command.

Two Types of ‘Use of Force’

Murphy explained that the LAPD resorts to use of force in two ways. The first is what he called “non-categorical” use of force, in which officers may use batons to subdue suspects or resort to such tactics as arm locks and twists.

Even in such relatively minor use of force, LAPD procedure requires an arresting officer’s supervisor to visit the scene of the arrest and initiate an investigation that goes up the chain of command all the way to the LAPD’s Use of Force Review Division “to determine if the use of force was appropriate,” Murphy said.

The other type of use of force is termed “categorical,” Murphy said, referring to Wednesday’s incident in the LAPD’s Rampart Division in which officers shot and wounded an armed man downtown following an hour-long car chase. (LAPD Central Bureau Deputy Chief José Perez, whose command extends over the Northeast as well as the Rampart areas, was present throughout the community meeting and is pictured here.)

Categorical use of force incidents trigger an even greater number of procedures that may require surrounding neighborhoods to be locked down for as long as 12 to 15 hours, Murphy said. During this time, not just the LAPD but the District Attorney’s office conducts a thorough investigation to determine if officers responded appropriately to the situation, the captain explained.

Crime and Use of Force in Northeast LA

In the Northeast Division over the past year, there have been 61 incidents of non-categorical use of force, one incident involving categorical use of force, and once incident in which officers used a Taser gun to subdue a suspect, Murphy said.

The use of force is correlated to an area’s crime rate. The higher the crime rate, the greater the use of force tends to be, Murphy said, taking the opportunity to present some crime statistics.

The Northeast area had seven homicides last year—one less than the previous year, Murphy said. But “we’re 1 percent up in crime this year and that turns my stomach.”

About 50 percent of all crime in the Northeast is auto-related, Murphy said, reminding the audience to be careful about not leaving personal belongings in vehicles and taking steps to safeguard against vehicle break-ins.

Monitoring Released Prisoners

In response to a question from a Los Feliz resident about whether a recent spike in burglaries in the neighborhood might be connected to the release of people convicted of low-level felonies from overcrowded state prisons and county jails, Murphy said that there are about 130 such released prisoners in the Northeast area.

“We’re tracking them—when they do any type of crime we’re on it right away,” Murphy said. One sergeant and four officers are assigned to monitor the released prisoners, Murphy said, adding: “So, what the state used to do, we do.” The number of prisoners released under AB 109, a law that Gov. Jerry Brown signed in April 2011, increases every month, however, the captain explained, because “every month they release more and more of them.”

All in all, the LAPD strives to be “the best police department you want us to be,” Murphy said. “We’ve worked extremely hard to build up our community relations—we’re not perfect, we’re going to have hiccups from time to time, but we want to win your trust,” the captain said, adding: “Over the years we’ve done that—we certainly don’t want to lose it now.”

The MOG September 14, 2012 at 04:41 PM
Duff,don't condemn the entire Dept., because of one incident. During the 2000, DNC, I saw officer rescue a flag from one of the anarchist, who was just about to burn it! It's not fair to paint over LAPD with the same brush.
frank van neutra lautner September 14, 2012 at 05:07 PM
They aren't all bad but the ones who are are allowed to get away with it much too easily and when they (who've pledged to serve and protect) are busted they should face the stiffest penalties of all people. For example, police officers who are witnessed by fellow officers or documented by citizens while concealing the badges should be subject to immediate arrest or at least immediate suspension and ultimately face very harsh consequences once their case has been heard and if they are found guilty. Police officers are too often too reluctant to police their professional peers or colleges or are too lax or lenient in doing so.
Duff Strong September 14, 2012 at 05:07 PM
One incident?! Here's a Google Shortlink to a YouTube selection on LAPD Police Brutality: http://goo.gl/femXb Enjoy.
Michael Larsen September 14, 2012 at 05:10 PM
The meeting was posted on the NE LAPD Facebook page and re-posted on the ERNC FB Page. I recommend that anyone with interest in or concern about LAPD like or friend those pages to stay informed.
Erykah Grande September 14, 2012 at 05:12 PM
And to those who don't care for Facebook? How do you, as current President of the Eagle Rock NC, reach out to those?
frank van neutra lautner September 14, 2012 at 05:16 PM
I agree, why should I need to use FB in order to be informed about public/civic matters?
Michael Larsen September 14, 2012 at 05:20 PM
You can also visit the Northeast Station web site at http://www.lapdonline.org/northeast_community_police_station And/Or Sign up for their informative email newsletter that will be sent directly to your email account. You can sign up here: http://www.lapdepolicing.org/ There are lots of ways to stay informed, but you have to take some responsibility and put forth some effort.
David Fonseca (Editor) September 14, 2012 at 05:22 PM
I was made aware of the 21 meetings on Monday, through a story in the LA Times. Later that afternoon, LAPD Northeast posted a status update on Facebook announcing the date/time of the local meeting. We did a short story/poll. http://patch.com/A-xDmD Beyond that, though, I have not seen a great deal of outreach. It came together very quickly. Probably too quickly for many of the people who would have attended had their been more notice and greater outreach.
Tim Ryder September 14, 2012 at 05:22 PM
Unfortunately, They is such a big disconnect between law enforcement and the people they serve that there is so little understanding on both sides. More citizen interaction with Police is needed. Attending the local Neighborhood Watch meetings with Officers Orange/Allen helped this citizen understand LE a little better and understand the actual crime situation here in Eagle Rock (which is relatively minor). I was even used the LAPD's crime-mapping website to prove the anti-marijuana crusaders were lying when they said there was crime around our local medical marijuana collectives. See graph here http://www.ccuwc.org/no-crime-around-collectives.html. We still need to work on this relationship further and in different ways.
Erykah Grande September 14, 2012 at 05:28 PM
Thank you, David. I think Mr. Larsen is missing my point. But thank you for your response. :)
Duff Strong September 14, 2012 at 05:28 PM
Not only that, Frank, but they are all put on 'administrative leave' while 'an internal investigation' is done. Basically, they get paid vacation paid for by you and me while the fires cool down enough to put them back on the street. LAPD: The most dangerous gang on the street.
Duff Strong September 14, 2012 at 05:42 PM
Here's a google shortlink on a LONG list of "Police Brutality" youtube videos: http://goo.gl/femXb Here's a google shortlink on a LONG list of search results for lapd 'administrative leave' 'internal investigation': http://goo.gl/K1DPp They abuse the citizens, then they take a paid vacation on your taxes.
Ajay Singh (Editor) September 14, 2012 at 05:57 PM
The community meetings were, by all accounts, hastily scheduled. The first thing Capt. Murphy said to me last night, possibly hinting at that haste, was that anywhere from a dozen to two-dozen people had been showing up for them. For the record, we did mention the meeting in our story regarding Northeast's new patrol commander, Capt. Hiltner: http://patch.com/A-xCLN
Duff Strong September 14, 2012 at 06:02 PM
Maybe if you had put 'Marijuana' in the title, more people would have read it. The people of eagle rock seem to be obsessed with the stuff.
frank van neutra lautner September 14, 2012 at 06:07 PM
Erykah Grande, I do get your point.
Erykah Grande September 14, 2012 at 06:30 PM
Yes, thank you Frank. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to pass your comment. Thank you for seeingmy point. I am currently running for a seat in the WENCH, as well as my husband, and we are working on reaching people outside of Facebook, outside the internet too. Of course, we're doing cyber outreach, but don't fret, It's not the only focus. :)
Erykah Grande September 14, 2012 at 06:32 PM
Lol I meant ERNC! Typing on my phone results in some interesting autocorrections. Apologies.
mark September 14, 2012 at 06:52 PM
I don't think it is fair to condemn the entire LAPD because of one incident either. However they have a very long history of abuse and few examples of making officers accountable. Rodney King, Rampart CRASH squad, May Day Rally, how about those audio tapes of Detective Mark Fuhrman
Gil September 14, 2012 at 07:32 PM
Mr. Larsen misses everybodys point on every issue. Not everybody as 24hr access to a computer. I contacted the station to find out the time of the meeting and ask about parking. I was put on hold twice because he had no idea what meeting i was talking about. after waitng on hold 10min. i was told the time.. Go figure.
Duff Strong September 14, 2012 at 07:42 PM
mark, you should take a look at the links i provided above.
mark September 14, 2012 at 07:50 PM
I did. It's saddening. I just wanted to throw out the more iconic episodes myself.
frank van neutra lautner September 15, 2012 at 02:30 AM
Brilliant, Duff. Go ad hominem on an entire community.
Duff Strong September 15, 2012 at 05:13 PM
I thought it was obvious I was being facetious. Guess not. Well, to clarify....I was being facetious. There.
frank van neutra lautner September 15, 2012 at 08:13 PM
That's about par for the course for the lumps of flesh that work the front desk at the Northeast division station. Did they sound like they were grunting responses over the phone?
nonoise September 16, 2012 at 04:18 PM
LAPD does a lot of things well, like policing. But community outreach is not one of them.
Nina G September 18, 2012 at 09:40 PM
this maneuver was nothing more than PR pablum the LAPD puts out when the you-know-what hits the fan...
Juan September 20, 2012 at 01:43 PM
I want to thank Northeast Officers for the great work they've done cleaning up the gangsters who terrorized neighborhoods on Drew Street. The same people posting here complaining about not knowing about a meeting never go to any of the LAPD meetings at the station monthly. Northeast has had their hands full with the Avenues gangsters and the parolees released who are committing violent crimes and more. People of LA are a lot smarter then the media gives them credit. They aren't rushing to judgement and know with the hundreds of arrests LAPD makes something will happen. Thousands came out for National Night Out all over the city and no media coverage. But if those same people were protesting they would cover so go figure!!!
Michael Larsen September 20, 2012 at 02:00 PM
Well said Juan. Many thanks to the good men and women of the LAPD who work so hard everyday.
mark September 20, 2012 at 02:56 PM
Juan we remember things quite differently. I promise to read up on it later, if you'll do the same. I remember the northeast Lapd allowing the drew street avenues to spring up and control the police stations own neighborhood for a decade. Then I remember a task force of hundreds of federal officers being necessary to clean the avenues out. It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't literally right behind the police station.
makaveli November 25, 2012 at 09:39 PM
Don't forget about Tupac Shakur and Notorious Big..........

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