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How Strong is the Opposition to Bike Lanes—and Where is it Coming From?

The resistance so far appears to be much less than a movement.

This past Monday, Eagle Rock Neighborhood Council members began receiving e-mails opposing the Department of Transportation’s plans to install bicycle lanes on Colorado Boulevard.

Each of the e-mails was copied to the same number of city officials, including the mayor and City Council members José Huizar, Eric Garcetti and Tom LaBonge. The e-mails were curious in one other respect: Each one had an identical form-letter text.

‘Save the Lanes’—For Cars

Late Tuesday, the ERNC received 12 e-mails opposing bike lanes, each with the same subject header: “SAVE THE LANES! Keep NELA Traffic Moving!” Eleven of the e-mails had a single, scanned and hand-signed form letter attached from workers at Century 21 Arroyo Seco at 5810 York Blvd., ERNC Vice President David Greene said, adding that the vast majority of the feedback the ERNC has got so far supports bike lanes.

The 12th e-mail had nine scanned and hand-signed form letters attached (see PDF). Eight of the form letters were from individuals who listed the address of a single building in Highland Park—5330 N. Figueroa St.—while one letter carried a York Boulevard address. Each of the e-mails read:

I’m disappointed to hear that L.A. is considering removing our auto lanes for bike lanes. I urge you to save the Auto lanes on Colorado and North Figueroa and replace the ones removed last October from York Boulevard.

At a recent HHPNC meeting, D.O.T. bike lane planning staff tipped their hand admitting that they secretly fear huge congestion problems when they said they cant do a temporary lane block off demonstration because, “… irate drivers will just get out of their cars and move the traffic cones.” They know how bad it will be, and how mad drivers will be.

Secondly, in the draft EIR for the bike plan, they [sic] only anticipated delays at three intersections along North Figueroa were studied. When planning staff were alerted to the omission of the Cold Line crossing as well as the intersections of North Figueroa and Meridian, both of which are well-known traffic bottlenecks, they displayed a classic “deer in the headlights look.” They knew of the potential for huge delays and either was [sic] negligent in their study or purposely omitted these intersections along with AVE. 43, 52 and 57, all well known for their rush hour congestion. Also, Colorado is often called upon as the ONLY alternate when the 134 freeway is blocked.

Our boulevards in Northeast L.A. are old and narrow and cannot afford to loose [sic] any auto lanes to the exclusive use of bicycle lanes. Our commuter time and traffic stress should not be ballooned by less than 1% of minority commuters who often are ill-mannered and traffic scofflaws.

Galco’s Connection

Further, each of the e-mails was sent from an e-mail address (customerservice@sodapopstop.com) associated with Galco’s Soda Pop Stop on York Boulevard. The signature on the first e-mail was particularly eye-catching. Clearly legible, it read: Adam Bray-Ali.

Not only is “Bray-Ali” an uncommon name, but anyone plugged into the bicycling world of Northeast L.A. immediately knows just who Adam Bray-Ali is: The older brother of Josef Bray-Ali, co-founder of The Flying Pigeon, a bicycle shop on Figueroa Street.

To see Bray-Ali’s signature on what is supposed to be an anti-bike petition is to instantly conclude that the signature might be a forgery. After all, the Bray-Ali brothers are to local bicycling what Muhammad Ali was once to world boxing.

So when Patch called Adam Bray-Ali, it was a surprise—initially not a very pleasant one—to learn that the signature was indeed his. (Even his brother Josef was surprised. "I just can't see this will have any net effect other than to further divide people on the issue," Josef said of the efforts of anti-bike lanes proponents to reverse the city's plans to create bike lanes on Colorado and Figueroa as part of the Los Angeles Master Bike Plan.)

It turned out, however, that Adam had signed the petition at the request of John Nese, the owner of Galco’s, who is a staunch opponent of removing traffic lanes for bike lanes. “I signed the petition not because I strongly believe in it but because it’s supported by an individual whom I admire,” Adam told Patch Friday.

“I think bike lanes in general are going to be an exceptional asset to the neighborhood,” Adam said, adding: “But my views are much more nuanced than those of the typical supporter of bike lanes.”

When Patch called Nese on Friday, he denied having any knowledge of Adam’s signature on the petition. “If you say Adam Bray-Ali signed it, you know more than I do,” he said.

Nese did confirm, however, that the form-letter petitions to city and neighborhood council officials were sent from his store’s e-mail address. But he denied he had any hand in directly e-mailing them.

“We made our ‘thing’ available to whoever wanted to send it [the petitions] out,” he said before hanging up the phone.

Boulevard Sentinel Connection

The e-mailed petitions all had a “Bcc” (Blind Carbon Copy) line to an e-mail address that read: Boulevardsentinel@gmail.com, presumably the e-mail contact for the Boulevard Sentinel newspaper published and edited by Eagle Rock native Tom Topping. 

Topping is noted for his opposition to bike lanes. The April print issue of his newspaper, for example, has a poll on whether readers favor or oppose retaining vehicular traffic lanes.

“Auto traffic lanes have been removed on York Boulevard to make way for bicycle lanes” the poll starts out by saying. “Plans to do the same on Colorado Boulevard and North Figueroa are in progress. Did anyone ask you what you thought?”

In the online version of the Boulevard Sentinel, Topping gives the latest results from his evidently NELA-wide poll: Of the 568 votes or signed petitions received, 565 respondents favor auto lanes, as opposed to bike lanes—“about double the number the Eagle Rock Association recently bragged about collecting. (They claimed victory for “281 respondents” HA!).”

What Topping's poll results don’t say is that, TERA did not commission any poll on bike lanes. Rather, it was the “Take Back the Boulevard” initiative regarding Colorado Boulevard that did. (TERA president Bob Gotham is chair of the TBTB steering committee, which might have been the source of the confusion.) Further, of the roughly 280 responses that favored bike lanes in the TBTB poll, some 80 percent were from people who self-identified as Eagle Rock residents, while about 5 percent were from people who said they work but don't live in Eagle Rock, said Jeff Jacobberger, a Take Back the Boulevard consultant.

“It is not clear to me how Mr. Topping has been able to identify which respondents oppose bike lanes on Colorado vs. Figueroa, as he didn’t ask that question,” Jacobberger pointed out. “In my experience, it would highly unusual for any significant number of respondents to ‘write in’ responses distinguishing between the two streets.”

Besides, said Jacobberger, the Boulevard Sentinel is conducting a classic “push” poll, in which respondents are presented with “biased information” before being asked their opinion.

“Mr. Topping states that the plans for bike lanes on Colorado Boulevard are the ‘same’ as the existing configuration of York,” Jacobberger said, alluding to a crucial difference between the two boulevards: York has one through travel lane in each direction, while the plans for Colorado call for maintaining at least two travel lanes, plus right-and left-turn pockets, along all but the narrowest portions of Colorado.

“I am unable to find an accurate description of the Colorado bike lane proposal in the Boulevard Sentinel,” Jacobberger said. “How many people say they are opposed to bike lanes on Colorado because they think—inaccurately—that Colorado will be reduced to one lane in each direction?”

Patch called the Boulevard Sentinel for a comment and is awaiting a response.

Correction: The initial version of this article quoted Adam Bray-Ali as saying in an interview with Patch that he manages the property on 5330 N. Figueroa St., which John Nese owns. According to Bray-Ali, he does not manage the property on 5330 N. Figueroa St., where his office is based, and Nese does not own that building. Further, says Bray-Ali, he does not manage any properties for Nese, although some of his friends do, and he has known Nese for 15-plus years.

Correction Update: The above article made an incorrect assertion that Galco’s owner John Nese owns the property on 5330 N. Figueroa St. He does not own that property—nor any other that readers might infer from reading this story. Further, this is to reiterate that Adam Bray-Ali does not work with—or for—John Nese. Finally, John Nese wishes to clarify two points: First, he is not against bike lanes, as the article might have implied. He is, in fact, in favor of keeping auto lanes. And second, John Nese wishes to state that he did not sign up anybody for the petitions referred to in the article. In his words, he simply “dropped the petitions off.”

Billy Biker May 01, 2013 at 11:45 PM
S., I do not prefer speed over safety. I do prefer honesty regarding how dangerous of an idea this is. I do not see how anyone can honestly advocate that riding a bike on Colorado Bl. is safe, and given the current road condition it is even less safe. It is because of the UNSAFE car drivers that a bike lane on Colorado is a recipe for disaster. And just to be redundant, HOW MANY RIDERS DO YOU THINK WILL EVER USE THE BIKE LANES ON A DAILY BASIS? The silence is deafening when ever anyone asks this question.
TruthTeller90041 May 01, 2013 at 11:54 PM
I heard that bike lanes make the street safer not only for cars but also for bikers and pedestrians. I am not sure about dogs.
Billy Biker May 01, 2013 at 11:58 PM
S,. on any given trip you can get stopped at a number of traffic signals. It s a stop and go ride. And did you really just say that Hill Dr is not an option because you would have to ride UPHILL. In case you hadnt notice, the world isnt flat. Just riding west to east on Colorado is completely uphill, albeit a slight slope, but uphill nonetheless. This is to good, "Bike lane advocate dismisses safe alternate route because its an uphill ride. ANd I have researched the subject, which is why I cannot in good conscience recommend riding a bike on Colorado Bl. I have also researched with my own eyes how many people use, or actually dont use, the laready existing lanes. Look at York, MORE people ride on the sidewalk now than ever before. Most riders along "york" are smart enough to use the parallell side streets, then cut down to York. But riding all the way up the hill t hill dr, or even Las Flores for short trips, I guess thats way to much to ask to improve the safety of bike riders. Oh the inconvinience of all those hills. This is truely funny,,,,"thats not an alternative because its uphill" ARE YOU SERIOUS?
True Freedom May 02, 2013 at 12:15 AM
@Billy: if safety is your number one concern.. and, as you assert, people will still speed, run red lights, etc in autos, then how in good conscience can you advocate keeping more auto lanes.. and allowing children to ride in cars with their parents? They could be t-boned by a speeding auto running a red light, which might kill them all. Perhaps, in the name of safety, we should convert all auto lanes on Colorado to bike lanes, and ban cars altogether.
True Freedom May 02, 2013 at 12:17 AM
I heard that bike lanes do increase safety for dogs (and cats). I am not sure about aardvarks.
Billy Biker May 02, 2013 at 12:18 AM
Another ineresting note. Smartinez and I have been going back and forth a little here. S has obviously done his homework, and he has very strong opinions. He provides links to support some of his positions, BUT, when asked how many people he thinkd will ever use the lanes he cannot even come up with a rought estimate. I would think that someone so well versed on the subject would at least have an opinion, or semi educated estimate but no. He cant even bring himself to mention hom FEW people use the existing lanes i n ER and the surrounding communities.. And he will never talk about all the bikes on the sidewalk along York where biike lanes do exist. And you said you couldnt estimate because there are no numbers on how many currently use the street,,,which is why I suggested doing a survery to get those REAL numbers, but saw no support from the bike advocates for that either. To paraphrase the movie, You dont want to know the truth, becasue it doesnt bode well for your argument. C'mon S.,,,you write all this stuff and you cant even give one little estimate for us. You have all these opinions about every aspect of this debate, EXCEPT ONE, and that is how many, or few, people will acually use them. Seems a little disingenuous to me. Meanwhile, I think I have pretty much answered all of your questions, if I missed any let me know, I will answer them, and I hope you have the courtesy to do the same.
True Freedom May 02, 2013 at 12:30 AM
@BIlly: yes, hills are a deterrent to many bike riders. Some bike riders, such as myself, go out of their way to find hills. I usually climb 4000-6000 ft every weekend, just for fun. But, for the bulk of people, hilly routes are a deterrent. It's amazing, once you get on a bike, how you realize which roads that you thought flat.. actually have incline. When you have to actually pedal, instead of simply pushing a gas pedal, you notice. Same thing with stops/starts. To encourage bike riding, flatter routes are preferable. This is why roads such as York, Figueroa, Eagle Rock Blvd, Colorado are preferable over other local alternatives like Hill, Ave 64, Ave 57, etc Let's go for a ride together, Billy. It will give you some perspective on what it's like to cycle around town.
Billy Biker May 02, 2013 at 01:13 AM
True, Thanks for the invite to go for a ride. I rode by bike as a kid all over this town, The "S" curve hill on Hill Dr. by the Kavasi mansion, the Hrtwick Hill below Colorado, Loleta Ave, so wide and smooth. I delivered newspaters on my bike, rode verywhere on my bike. I know every hill, every 'curb jump', every crack in the sidewalds of this town, and have seen all the changes in the past 40 years, which is why I can HONESTLY say that riding a bike on Colorado Bl will NEVER be safe. I would never allow kids today to do what we took for granted. SOmeone here sugested removing the center divider on Colorado, do you know how long and hard the community of ER has fought to keep those dividers? Just a joke True,,,,if you and I go for that ride I will bet you one dollar we do not pass one other bike on the road. And I will concede this, because I am realist. no matter what anybody says, the bike lanes will go in. It doesnt matter how many people speak up against it, once the politicians have made up their minds nothing will change it. But I do look forward to saying I told you so when we see about 20 bikes a day, tops, ever use the lanes.
Michael Larsen May 02, 2013 at 02:19 AM
I promise to buy one and ride everyday as soon as those bike lanes are in, Timmy.
Jimmy Iaei May 02, 2013 at 01:26 PM
S. Martinez ...you assume everyone wants to ride bikes and has the time. York Bl is a classic example of the many suffering for the wants of a few. The huge increase in traffic congestion for a bike lane that nobody uses is a classic example of your Mario Cuomo type thinking. This utopian future of everyone biking and the end of the car is actually a step backwards. Do you want us to be like China and Vietnam? Bike lanes aren't going to make things any safer. Bonehead drivers and oblivious bikers will still ride as if they are the only ones on the road. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few doesn't hold here. The special interests of the ERNC to maintain their elitist views over the residents is part of today's pandering of politicians to their donors. Anti-development, pro bike lanes, it's all part of the same I think I know whats better for you mentality you exhibit.
TruthTeller90041 May 02, 2013 at 02:52 PM
I heard that York is booming and that commercial rents have gone straight up since the bike lanes were put in. I also heard that in HP, homes close to York command a 20% premium over those that aren't. I heard maybe Jimmy doen't know this.
Jeff Jacobberger May 02, 2013 at 08:35 PM
Under the ADA, we design every new building to be accessible by the mobility impaired, although only about 1% of Americans use wheelchairs, scooters and/or walkers. We could squeeze an extra stall or urinal in most bathrooms if it wasn't for all that extra space we had to devote to handicap stalls. Sometimes, after I've had a Super Big Gulp, I can barely wait for an empty urinal or stall. I am sometimes inconvenienced by ADA requirements. I don't use a wheelchair, but I think it is a wonderful thing that our buildings are designed for everyone, even though I am sometimes inconvenienced. After all, it turns out that ADA requirements provide benefits to a lot of other folks, including parents pushing strollers, business people and students with roller bags/briefcases, etc. In the same way, I think our streets should be designed for everyone, not just for the majority of people who are drivers.
Marcus May 03, 2013 at 12:28 AM
I agree with Jeff Jacobberger. He has the right idea. Our communities––over time–– have become enlightened and we've opened our hearts and minds to accommodate disadvantaged peoples. They maybe disabled, they may just be couples trying to push strollers across a street, or an old person struggling to see, or hear at a road crossing, or they just might be a cyclist who wants to cycle more safely around their town. Eagle Rock is not just for car drivers. Measures such as wheelchair/stroller friendly sidewalks, crossings, and Bike lanes will encourage more inclusiveness, even if they might only attract a smaller group than drivers. Can't wait to start cycling more regularly on our streets again. Why should I be deemed a second class citizen and expected the ride the back streets, while the rich folk in their fancy cars are allowed the main street. Feels like the 50s in a southern state when I hear that talk.
Jimmy Iaei May 03, 2013 at 12:46 AM
Our communities? Don't you mean your community where only people enlightened to your point of view live? What makes you so superior? What planet do you live on where everyone bikes and cars are banned? Realistically cars will be here for the forseeable future, just not gasoline powered. Want to ride a bike? Have at it. You all avoid the issue of choice. What gives you the right to determine what is right for everyone? If I think bike lanes are a silly idea that will benefit few what makes your eco vision so correct? We could do a lot more good in this world by making things easier not more restrictive. The fact that no one uses these lanes seems to have escaped you, instead you concentrate on your vision of this idyllic future where cars are banned and everyone bikes to their vegan restaurant and sips latte on the sidewalk. The fact that people have jobs, need to commute, haul around tools, carry lumber seems beyond your comprehension.
MtnManMike May 03, 2013 at 05:08 AM
I bought a bike last week...In anticipation!
MtnManMike May 03, 2013 at 05:17 AM
Bike lanes improve the standard of living, as well as real estate value in the communities that have them. It demonstrates a community's coomitment to the future. Let the business owners know what you think. Tom Topping and his trolls are voicing their opinions every day. If the people of ER are really against a safe Blvd. for bikes....Is this a town you want to call home? SPEAK UP!
Jimmy Iaei May 03, 2013 at 01:49 PM
"Bike lanes improve the standard of living, as well as real estate value in the communities that have them. It demonstrates a community's coomitment to the future." Absolutely no evidence to prove this at all. Just because you want it to be so doesn't mean that it is. The lack of parking hurt business so much that the City was forced to restore some. Home values in the entire have gone up 8-9% in the past year, regardless of bike lanes.
True Freedom May 03, 2013 at 03:35 PM
@Jimmy: Take a deep breath, man. Cars aren't going anywhere. No one is trying to ban cars. The vast majority of bikers own and use cars, too. I own a truck and haul my lumber in it (I haul bikes, too, he he). I eat steaks and take my coffee black. You say: "We could do a lot more good in this world by making things easier not more restrictive" You're right! I would apply your argument to cycling. Currently, biking on Fig or Colorado is like playing Russian roulette, which is why you don't see many doing it. Adding bike lanes will make cycling MUCH easier and safer (not more restrictive). Perhaps this will make auto travel here slower (which is safer for everyone), but I'm not convinced that it will slow you much, if any at all.
True Freedom May 03, 2013 at 03:38 PM
@Marcus: I'm definitely on your side, but remember.. many "rich folk with fancy cars" also bike. Fortunately (or unfortunately) I'm squarely in the 1%... and I ride my bike everyday.
Marcus May 03, 2013 at 11:42 PM
@True Freedom: You're right, some rich folk do cycle - but I was making the analogy that segregating the cyclist is akin to backward thinking in the southern states fifty decades ago.
Rick Caputo May 04, 2013 at 04:22 PM
I bought my house in Eagle Rock in 1996. I opened my business in eagle Rock in 2001, my business is on Colorado Blvd. near Caspar. Four of my 6 kids have gone and are currently going to school here. I shop here, I eat out here when I can find a spot to park. I am looking forward to my commute to TJ's or Vons to grocery shop on my Bike, not every time but sometimes. To going to Taco Spot, Oinkster or Coffee Table on my bike because it is rare to find parking when you want to eat. I will bike to my business because it will be quicker when I do not need to find a place to park. I want the parking for my customers. I believe the slower pace of traffic will increase the visibility of my business. As it has been mentioned here, if it doesn't work I will be among those looking for a better option.
Hooper Humperdink May 04, 2013 at 04:43 PM
Jimmy, if I were to present a series of peer-reviewed academic articles backing up MtnManMike's comment, would it change your mind?
Billy Biker May 05, 2013 at 11:52 PM
Propery values have gone up and down, up and down, for years, decades, regarless of bike lanes or not. How do you explain property values going up in ER on the resiential streets off of Colorado for the last two years, but no bike lanes on Colorado. All of these studies, yet no one wants to do a study right here, in the community we are talking about. Lookd at the havoc on the surrounding streets on York, and try to convince anyone on those residential streets that they are better off with the bike lanes. Even adivid bike lane S. Martinez had to capitulate that Meridian is MORE DANGEROUS, and he even mentioned plans to put in roundabouts and speed bumps on the residential streets as a direct result of the SAFETY concerns residents are facing because of the bike lanes. Of course these remedies from the city are far in the future because of the budget concerns, as S. Martinez noted. Guess we will just have to wait for a kid to get hit by a car on Meridian before the bike crown faces the realities of the UNSAFE situation their bike lane, that hardly anyone uses, caused. You dont need a peer reviewed acedemic study to see the dangers that the bike lane has caused off of York, just use your own eyes, and some common sense. Bike lanes improve the standard of living,,,you are joking right. Tell that to the residents of Meridian and Buchannan, the streets directly affected by the lanes. What garbage!!!
Billy Biker May 06, 2013 at 12:00 AM
I see more people right here in the Patch comment section claim to ride their bikes than I ever actually see on these very streets that I travel on constantly every single day. And please, lets stop talking about how successfull the lanes on York are. Anyone who drives their every single day sees more bikes on the sidewalks than in the bike lanes. I have written this numerous times and NOBODY, not even the most active bike lane supporters has ever challenged it, simply because its true. And the parallell streets are infanately LESS SAFE since the bike lane installation, which even S. Martinez has said is an "ISSUE" that needs to be looked in to. He just calls it an 'issue' not a SAFETY issue, that wouldnt look good would it?
Billy Biker May 06, 2013 at 12:19 AM
regading the comment from Marcus below about all the "rich folks in their fancy cars." Did you see that the Highland Park group voted against the bike lanes. I suppose all those rich folks in HP, in all their fancy cars are going to make sure the poor folks dont get in their way on their little bikes, right Marcus? Marcus with his class warefare, Darren with his racist comments, you guys are a real class act. Marcus, since when is working hard and becoming successful something to be scorned at, whether you be black, white, brown, or green with purple polka dots? Funny to see what levels some will sink when they see themselve loosing the debate on factual grounds. Congradulation Marcuc and Darren, for showing your true colors. Perhaps green is your color, and not the color of money, the color of your envious eyes.(ps, Darren used the word envy when he described me in another post) Marcus, surely you see more than rich white folks using Colorado, Fig, and York these days, dont you. Since you feel so comfortable ascribing these labels to others, perhaps you could tell us what label you would put on yourself? You aint got the guts. Your attempts to divide people are pretty low down. The good people of ER and HP, rich and poor alike, will see right through your ignorance.
Hart Fisher May 06, 2013 at 12:21 AM
You got it Billy. No one on the bike issues is dealing with the truth, none of this is about bikes. It's about the $55,000 per mile that's going to be spent on putting in the bike lanes that the city council folks want their piece of and their cronies lined up for the easy city contract. They want to put in 1600 miles into the LA county area & it's all about the money to do it. It's federal $$$ and the self centered parasites who want it have no care about what happens to the neighborhood. You should see the twists they make in their logic when you suggest a safer route for their lanes that do not include paint on the ground. It's funny, yet it's not. Keep up the great logic Billy Biker. Follow the money.
Billy Biker May 06, 2013 at 03:18 AM
BOB G imagine this, You are driving west on Colorado, approaching, lets say Argus. The light is green and you are going to turn right, that is UP Argus. THere is a buffered bike lane along the road with cars parked all along. Now imagine there is a 12 year old riding his bike in the buffered bike lanes, hidden byhidn the row of parked cars, so you dont see him. And the 12 year old cannot see your blinker for turning right, up Argus,. That stretch of Colorado has a downhill slant, and that 12 year old is going at a decent clip, maybe 20 mph. You go past the last car, and begin to cut over to make your right turn, and out from behind the parked cars, here comes that 12 year old, in the lane he is supposed to be safe in. If you cant see the recipe for disaster that this is then there is no rational debate to be had here. If ANY pro bike lane advocate cannot see this very simple recipe for disaster then what is the use of even debating the subject. This is not just some irrational description of a oen in a million chance happening. And the same goes for an adult riding that bike too, but the adult will probably ge going even faster than the kid. Just out of curiostiy, how many of you bike lane supporters are goint to attend this kids funeral?
Billy Biker May 06, 2013 at 04:14 AM
Hart, Have you also noticed all the comparisons to Glendaly and Pasadena. How well the businesses on Colorado are doing with only two lanes? But have you also noticed how they NEVER mention the FACT that there are NO BIKE LANES in Pasadena or Glendale. All of thei business succcess, and NO BIKE LANES. I now agree with ALL the bike lane supporters, we should be just like Glendale and Pasadena, and have NO BIKE LANES on Colorado Bl. What does make those areas successful is AMPLE PARKING FOR AUTOMOBILES. Thats how you get people from outside of town to come here to spend money. How may bikers are going to come from out of town to spend money here? LOL virtually ZERO. How many more would come if they had someplace to park,,,,well lets use the bike lane advocate argument, lets try it an see. LOL Of course we did try it and can see what has happened, York is a joke and the city is now looking into how to address the SAFEY problems that have arisen on the side streets to York, as S. Martinez provided a link for on another thread. Thank you S., for those links regarding the increased SAFETY PROBLEMS the bike lanes on York have casused, it was very helpful. Although you keep repeating that York is safer, I wish you would point out everytime you repeat that line, you would also repeat the part about the INCREASE IN SAFETY PROBLEMS that you provided the link for on the other thread. York might be safer, but the surrounding reidential streets are NOT!!
Billy Biker May 06, 2013 at 04:25 AM
And as S. Martinez has pointed out, the city is looking into fixing the SAFETY PROBLEMS caused by the bike lanes on York, but the money to fix these SAFETY RPOBLEMS caused by the bike lanes cannot come out of the bike lane, set aside money. The SAFETY FIXING money must come from the general fund, so there is no plan to currently fix the SAFETY ISSUES in the residential neighborhoods directly adjacent to the bike lane. Hart, cant you just see them all now,,,how do we address the SAFETY ISSUES that the city has already identified are directly related to the bike lanes? How can we justify causing a residential neighborhood, with tons of kids being less safe in order to maintain a bike lane on a street where even today more people ride on the sidewalk. How can we fustify letting this street remain as UNSAFE as we have made it, while calling for more lanes that will have the same effect on the neighboring streets. And the city is not only calling Meridian less safe, but also Strathern, just north of Meridian. Again, thank you S. Martinez for prividing the lind from the city detailing the increase of SAFETY PROBLEMS on these residential streets, full of kids, many of whom walk to school during the peak times when the SAFETY of these streets has been compromised most, as a direct result of the York Bl., bike lanes.
Jimmy Iaei May 07, 2013 at 12:18 AM
This is really about the caretaker mentality. These hipsters and other trendies want their version of life to prevail regardless of who it affects. The future where everyone rides bikes, recycles, doesn't use plastic bags, doesn't eat red meat, works at home, cares for abandoned pit bulls in their back yard, and other things they think make for their own quality of life. No strip malls, no billboards, no parking, no smoking (except pot), no 7-11's, no auto repair shops, turn the streets into parks kind of mentality. Because they are so smart it impossible for them to visualize anyone not seeing the light of truth and disagreeing. They forget that everything has a consequence and what makes better for some is not better for all. They forget that some people have jobs, like their cars, and don't have time to take tools one at a time to the jobsite on a bike. Does everyone of these bike lane advocates actually live and commute on a bike? And if they do where are they?

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