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Petition Has Enough Signatures to Force Referendum on Pot Shop Ban

The City Clerk announced Monday that marijuana advocates have submitted the required number of signatures to overturn the city’s “gentle ban” ordinance.

A petition by medical marijuana advocates aimed at repealing the Los Angeles City Council’s ban on marijuana storefronts has enough signatures to force a referendum on the ordinance, the City Clerk announced Monday.

The City Council now has the option of either repealing the ban, calling a special election within the next 110 to 140 days or putting the issue on the March 5 city election ballot.

The ban had been scheduled to take effect Sept. 6, but it was put on hold when the group of activists submitted about 50,000 petition signatures to the City Clerk's Office in hopes of forcing a vote on the issue.

Los Angeles City Clerk June Lagmay said in a statement that a random statistical sampling by her office found that 49,021 signatures were valid, well above the required 27,425.

According to the clerk's office, the City Council is expected to consider its next move sometime before Oct. 7.

The "gentle ban," crafted by Councilman José Huizar and supported by Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, Los Angeles Police Department Chief Charlie Beck and City Attorney Carmen Trutanich, called for the closure of all medical marijuana storefronts in light of public complaints, as well as the lack of guidance by the state and the courts about how to regulate them. The ban still allowed patients to grow their own marijuana in groups of three or less individuals, as mandated by state law.

After the petition signatures were submitted, the city attorney's office posted a notice online indicating that it would not enforce the city's ban, but it also warned that "the business of medical marijuana continues to be an unpermitted land use in the city.''

Erykah Grande September 18, 2012 at 09:24 PM
"Professional knowledge and experience"? Please do share.
AFG September 18, 2012 at 09:59 PM
Everyone deserves the chance to say what they stand for. It's not fair to say NOgeira unless you know what he stands for. I always thought he appeared very community minded, wanting what's best, etc.
Herb Greene September 18, 2012 at 10:04 PM
Sarcasm my dear......and not free energy just not being RIPPER off by LA, they just charge whatever so they can turn over like $500,000,000 every year to the city coffers, also l00k @ your DWP bill, were you charged more then $35 for trash/refuse- I was- I called the city, they admitted the made everyone's bill have a charge for extra capacity cans, & if you complain they lower it (assuming you don't have a big can........) DWP = LA ca$h cow, we all pay excess, its for Villagrosa's concumbine fund I think.....
krd September 18, 2012 at 10:05 PM
Thanks. I DO consume a lot of cannabis to THINK.
Duff Strong September 18, 2012 at 10:06 PM
Just because I'm voting for a Community minded guy doesn't make me a schmuck. NOPEgeira is buddy buddy with Larsen. People who have lived in eagle rock for more than a decade know this and have seen this. Birds of a feather... That's enough for me.
Herb Greene September 18, 2012 at 10:07 PM
Irene, it's your choice, but not your right to make a choice for me or other ADULTS....moral part? What pray tell is the moral part? LIke people who are religous are moral, that don't work.....
bbkong September 18, 2012 at 10:19 PM
@meanirene "My NO is based on professional knowledge and experience" Interesting. My yes is based on common sense and reality. Care to share with us why you're such a negative nellie about this? Or are you just going to stomp your foot every few minutes?
Duff Strong September 18, 2012 at 10:20 PM
I think the fragmented sentences is what threw everyone for a loop. Sarcasm doesn't fair well on these boards. Peace.
Erykah Grande September 18, 2012 at 10:21 PM
Lol I find myself figuring shit out more than articulating. I've always sucked at articulation. Never my forte. Lol Hey, some are actually pretty good artists when high. I know a couple really good ones whose best work is done after a smoke.
Erykah Grande September 18, 2012 at 10:27 PM
Nogueria doesn't have my vote for obvious reasons, but also because he seems to prioritize his businesses before anything and although he may be a good businness man with a check on morals, I don't feel he'd make a good candidate as president because of it. Presidents shouldn't appear to have agendas and this guy has had one since dispensaries and massage parlors started parking next door to him. Ethics violation as a current board member if you ask me. But that's me.
krd September 18, 2012 at 10:33 PM
LOL...there is hope: "A referendum designed to overturn the sitting City Council is rare. Nearly a decade ago, in 2003, the City Council banned lap dances. Angry strip-club owners spent a bundle on paid signature gatherers, collecting more than 100,000 signatures. The City Council withdrew its lap dance ban." http://www.laweekly.com/2012-09-06/news/medical-weed-ban-overturn-Los-Angeles/
krd September 18, 2012 at 10:36 PM
And, most importantly, nobody was harmed :)
Duff Strong September 18, 2012 at 10:49 PM
If someone parks next to your house, and you complain, it's not an ethics violation. You may be a whiny b*tch. But I don't think it's ethics.
AFG September 18, 2012 at 11:06 PM
@Duff: I just meant that it would be nice for those of us who don't know a particular candidate to hear what they have to say they stand for. Not all of us even know whom they are. Will there be anything like that to inform us of their intentions/agendas/visions? Here's an example: Some of us didn't know there was an NC until the hoopla surrounding ERHS's creepy principal was made public in the Patch.
Erykah Grande September 18, 2012 at 11:30 PM
Excellent point, Mr/Ms AFG. I haven't heard of the ERNC hosting anything of sorts, that or their outreach skills seem to consistently suck (if there will be such an event). But I know this is definitely something folks are requesting and my husband, Nelson Grande II and I are working on setting up an event somewhere indoors (to avoid the heat) to hold an informational forum or q & a for the folks interested in hearing what my husband has to say or what he hopes to bring as President of ERNC. Stay tuned for details. Remember, this is a volunteer base position he is seeking and he is a full time employee outside of politics so he is pretty busy balancing it all (along with some family time). But again, stay tuned. I'm pretty good with outreach, you'll hear about it soon. :)
Erykah Grande September 18, 2012 at 11:36 PM
My bad. There I go again with my lack of skill in articulation. I didn't mean literally Parking. I meant conveniently enough, the hottest topics on he ERNC for a while were Massage Parlors and Dispensaries, both of which were located next door to his businesses. He fought alongside Larsen and gave the folks at, then, AEC, a very hard time. His Bellisimo Catering service is on the same shopping center. Pretty sure Mr Business Man Dude was just jealous all the foot traffic was there for AEC. But that's my take on it and when I smell BS I say it loud.
Duff Strong September 18, 2012 at 11:39 PM
"Some of us didn't know there was an NC until the hoopla surrounding ERHS's creepy principal was made public in the Patch." You and I are on the same boat, brother. I had no idea. But now I do and, although I've never met the guy, I know enough about NOgeria to know he's a good friend of Larsen's. There's a lot of other sewing circle talk but I try not to listen to that stuff until I get real proof so I won't mention it. But as I said before, him being chummy with Larsen is enough for me.
Duff Strong September 18, 2012 at 11:49 PM
You see Mrs. Grande, the beautiful thing about being me is that I'm a resourceful and logical guy. I think you're referring to this: 81001(b) - http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=gov&group=80001-81000&file=81000-81016 If you can prove that there was money to be gained from him voting to shut down the massage place next to his Señor Michael's place or his place next to AEC, then you're on to something. Here, I'll help you. These are the minutes to all the meetings they've had: http://eaglerockcouncil.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=38&Itemid=92 Maybe you, Mr. Grande, or someone else on this board can do some digging. I'm not up for it. I've lead you to water. I can't make you drink (I'm not calling you a horse, btw)
Marcus September 19, 2012 at 12:36 AM
@John: Is alcohol working in an open system? I don't see Eagle Rock allowing as many bars as it can bear? Your post points to the legalization which I have to support - but in doing so there are going to be many hoops to jump through to make sure that it is regulated. Coffee, food cannot be compared with MJ. Lets just keep it to alcohol and cigarettes for now. A 12 year old can buy a cup of coffee on their own, or a bag of flour, but they can't buy cigarettes or alcohol.
Erykah Grande September 19, 2012 at 01:13 AM
Thanks, Duff. And don't worry, I didn't take offense. I'll look into it.
bbkong September 19, 2012 at 02:15 AM
There seems to be a lot of misconceptions about the pot shops in here and if you'll indulge me I'll explain a few things just for clarity. These shops are not open to the public. You have to be a registered member to even get past the security guard. Registering requires not only the prescription, but more info than most people are comfortable giving out. Memberships in a collective are limited by the actual size of the plot of land (or indoor garden facility) that they use to serve their clientele. They are only allowed to grow 17 plants per client certificate they have on hand, and that's barely enough to supply a typical client for a year. Most shops aren't even accepting new clients because they can't maintain their supplies with those limitations. This why the shops are always smallish and numerous. They aren't supplied by organized crime either. The weed coming up across the border is far inferior to the carefully grown strains that you find in the pot shops. Those strains aren't cheap either. If you're looking for cheap and weak, go find a street dealer, but good luck with that. The pot shops have out classed them and starved them out. I know all this because one of my clients runs a successful collective. Nice guy, too. Not a gangster by a long shot. Hope that helps with some understanding here.
Laura September 19, 2012 at 03:11 AM
This may be the most civil discussion I've ever read on Patch. Kudos to all.
Erykah Grande September 19, 2012 at 03:40 AM
lol! Thank you? :)
david September 19, 2012 at 03:45 AM
Now its up to us to ask city council to not waste money on another election issue that has been already decided and/or remove them from office for wasting tax payer time and money.
ERHS Moms September 19, 2012 at 03:59 AM
I think there a quite a few voters who thought they were voting, in theory, for one thing and, in actuality, got another. They didn't envision the MMD's operating the way they do, etc.
Erykah Grande September 19, 2012 at 05:43 AM
Joyce, could you please email me. I have something to ask you. You seem to be pretty knowledgeable about the legalities of this issue and have seen your posts. You may be able to help me or point me in the right direction. That and you use your real name and it is unfortunately a tad more trusting than some good anonymous folks here. MissGuinness at Ymail dot com.
Duff Strong September 19, 2012 at 04:38 PM
I'm sure it has nothing to do with this comment board being devoid of Larsen, ERM, and the lot.
Ward Cleaver, Jr. September 19, 2012 at 07:51 PM
The City let this happen. No plans for years, they finally made a plan, then don't play fair & say ALL need to close? What about the 200 that are really 0k, w/permits, LiveScan, etc. huh, take out the new ones, like 2 that popped up on Ventura between Stansbury & Bev Glen, they were not there 6 months ago! Eliminate th enew ones & go backwards, make sense, yes, but our city counsel make no sense, just lots of money for themselves.......
Watts September 19, 2012 at 08:24 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Removal_of_cannabis_from_Schedule_I_of_the_Controlled_Substances_Act
Watts September 19, 2012 at 08:37 PM
I mentioned above that the main issue is getting marijuana out of being a Schedule I controlled substance. Somebody asked how and I just posted a reply far up thread, but here is a very informative wiki link that is a good place to start for anybody interested in the history and process: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Removal_of_cannabis_from_Schedule_I_of_the_Controlled_Substances_Act It is no small battle and has been going on for decades, but eventually it will happen. People just need to organize and push for it. I would say that a godo step in the right direction is to focus on something like this first, instead of the mess that medical marijuana has become or the attempts for legalization on a state level that would still be in contrast to federal law. State by state acceptance of medical marijuana certainly creates a more positive climate for getting marijuana rescheduled, but it almost seems like advocates are getting too caught up in worrying about local councils and dispensary wars (which has it's level of importance), when the real underlying issue of this being a schedule I drug will still be there no matter what the outcome of these local issues. Federal law won't be changed as long as this marijuana is Schedule I, so changing that is the first step to getting the feds off the backs of states and patients.

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